a Cheetah3D Wiki

a Cheetah3D Wiki

This idea has come up before, but I think it's worth a new wish.

Purpose of the Wiki: to provide a better structure for tutorials and shared materials/assets, and an on-line manual which could be expanded and improved by the C3D community (leaving Martin free to get on with what he does best: programming).

Where? the best option would be if it could be integrated into this forum, otherwise there's a risk of splitting the community (see the implementation suggestion below).

What could a wiki offer that the forum can't?
- Organising information; ever done a forum search for "DXF" or "UV"? no results. But try searching for "rendering" and you get 500 threads - too many to be useful. Often the topic you're interested in can end up spread over many posts (or even threads), and even when someone is organised enough to distill the subject matter down into a few succinct frames of comic life, it can be hard work finding it. Another example: how many times has someone posted a list of links to useful resources? Shouldn't that be one master list that people can add to?

- Collaboration: forum posts are easy to edit, but you can only edit your own. I'd love to see something that could be started by one person and then improved by others. Think of all the times people have asked about a book on C3D, and then imagine if Martin's very terse (sorry, Martin) manual could be expanded and illustrated with all the best bits of what gets posted on the forum.

- Evolution: thanks to Martin's tireless work, C3D is constantly improving and changing. A wiki structure can be kept up to date as new C3D features are added or changed, and old/deprecated/irrelevant features can be removed (whereas old forum posts just hang around forever).

- Efficiency: come on people, let's all try to save poor Frank having to do everyone's searching for them.;)

- Accessibility: the wiki could be a more inviting way for new users to get a gentle introduction to C3D; many potential C3D converts risk being turned off if they get stuck at the early stages, and can't find the help they need in the C3D manual.

Implementation: There's a vBulletin plug-in called NuWiki (http://www.nuhit.com) which could be used to add a Wiki section to the existing C3D forum site. It could either be open for anyone to edit, or else Martin could appoint some editors if things get out of hand. Or, if anyone knows of an alternative solution, please post.

A working example of vBulletin + NuWiki is the german 3dmaxforum.

Anyone else think this could be a good idea? If so, please support the wiki wish.:smile:

Also if anyone has examples of well-organised wikis they admire, please post some links. Thanks.
 
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A Cheetah3D Wiki would be AWESOME! :icon_thumbup:

This idea has come up before, but I think it's worth a new wish.

Purpose of the Wiki: to provide a better structure for tutorials, and an on-line manual which could be expanded and improved by the C3D community (leaving Martin free to get on with what he does best: programming).

Implementation: There's a vBulletin plug-in called NuWiki (http://www.nuhit.com) which could be used to add a Wikki section to the existing C3D forum site. It could either be open for anyone to edit, or else Martin could appoint some editors if things get out of hand.

A working example of vBulletin + NuWiki is the german 3dmaxforum.

Anyone else think this could be a good idea?
 
Its a good idea, but it can take a bit of commitment to keep maintained. Whilst I'm willing to help, I couldnt personally take responsibility for it completely, but its definately worth a go. A great way to add tips and tricks, and Franks cool videos.
AC
 
Because I messed up the forum software and now I don't know how to fix it.:oops:


:shock:

And there I was thinking that this was the most democratic forum anywhere on our small blue planet! :roll: :lol:

:cool:

PS; I'm one of a small bunch of moderators over on electro-music.com (dedicated to electronic and electro-acoustic music of all sorts) and this forum works so much better than ours- we have over 5000 members too!!! Genius! :D :cool:
 
The killer feature of vbulletin is the support for inline posting ... but phpbb3 does that ... if it ever goes final and starts getting some decent themes.
 
I like Roi's suggestion better than hosting a third party wiki, but am happy to do that too.

If Martin doesn't want to do a C3D Wiki I'm happy to host one. We could grab c3dwiki.com (it's not taken, I just checked) and have it up and running in less than an hour.
 
Hi,
there seems to be considerable interest in a Wiki. So I would host a wiki. Installing a Wiki is probably not very difficult. At least not more difficult than installing a forum.

But my main concern with the wiki is spam. The forum is also not spam prove and I'm worried that the wiki gets spammed. I've never worked on a wiki so I don't have experiences with that. Would I need some moderators? And would anybody of you be interested to become a wiki moderator?

Once my worries about spam are ironed out I will set up a Cheetah3D wiki. So any tips about spam prevention are welcome.

Bye,
Martin
 
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I don't know if you can give out more privileges, but I'm sure that if you gave Frank and Luke moderator privileges (say) the spam would get dealt with.

As for a wiki ... you might experiment with only allowing invited people to edit pages (or only allowing invited people to authorize edits).

Mediawiki is "the standard" -- it's what runs Wikipedia.

There are many others. I personally loath Mediawiki's markup language but it is "the standard". I wonder if there's a decent wiki implementation out there that uses Fckeditor...

I did find this:

http://opencms-wiki.org/

But its backend is Java-based :-/

(FCKEditor is pretty amazing -- it gives you a very "Word-like" editing UI in most web browsers.)
 
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As for a wiki ... you might experiment with only allowing invited people to edit pages (or only allowing invited people to authorize edits).

If that is possible it would be very good. I think it is easier to authorize all new editors manually than checking for spam all the time.

Mediawiki is "the standard" -- it's what runs Wikipedia.

If its good enough for Wikipedia it should be also sufficient for Cheetah3d Wiki:wink:

Bye,
Martin
 
Just a note to say I would throw my support behind a Wiki.

Also - Martin, I frequent another forum for a 2D CAD program from Italy; HighDesign by Ilexsoft ( http://ilexsoft.com - if anyone here needs a drafting program I highly recommend this for Mac!). Anyways they were having real problems with spam for a while, but somehow dealt with it and there haven't been any spam-members for a long time. I'll ask how they did it, maybe even just put you in touch with them directly...
 
I fully understand your concerns Martin. We've had an awful lot of porn spammers mainly from Russia and China, then there are the Viral marketers too, so most of the time is spent banning them. But it never stops there, and is very time consuming.

Personally, and although I know that a wiki is by nature supposed to be an open ended database that anyone can join, I would suggest only those who have already posted at least 25 posts on the main C3D site (who haven't already upset anyone else), should be allowed to contribute. So perhaps you Martin, should then hold the 'master key' so to speak?
 
http://c3d.wikidot.com/

Within an hour? Heck it took me 30s. I'd still prefer something Martin hosted on this server.

The problem with using a site like this is that we don't "own" the database. And what happens if they go broke, or suddenly start charging money, or add popup ads?

Edit: Oh, and they currently limit the total file storage to 300MB.
 
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Hi,
installing a wiki is very easy. The problem is the configuration. Tons of parameters and no control center. Wow.:confused:

Does anybody have some experience configuring a wiki properly? So that it is save against spammers?

http://cheetah3d.de/wiki/index.php5?title=Main_Page

podperson do you know how to configure it? If needed I can give you ftp and administrator rights to the wiki.

Bye,
Martin
 
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