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C3D Forum Etiquette: Attach, Educate, Evangelize
Recently Misoversaturated has added lots of eye-opening posts that effectively explain and demonstrate new features, like the restored Falcon caustics. His examples inspired this post.
C3D is arguably the best software for a beginner to rapidly learn 3D CG and produce professional results, but it has to balance its power with complexity. It is hard and time-consuming to find the right combination of numerous settings to get a desired effect. We all do many trial-and-error iterations, even for simple scenes where we are experimenting, to try out a new feature. This is especially true for a complete beginner, someone with zero 3D experience, just the kind of customer Martin needs to attract. Keep in mind how essential this forum is in promoting and sustaining the development of C3D.
I suggest we do one thing differently, which would require almost no additional effort but could accelerate the learning process for all C3D users, from beginner to expert:
ATTACH THE FILE.
Make this the default habit when posting to the forum.
It’s fast, simple, and easy to right-click a .jas file icon and choose “Compress.” This instantly creates a .zip file which can be attached to a forum post as readily as a JPEG.
This is a great forum, where people quickly answer questions and generously offer tips. But sometimes the advice is still hard to understand by someone with less experience.
I’m only referring to a simple test scene posted to the General or Tutorial sub-forums, not a massively complex illustration commissioned by a client, or a final high-res work of art posted to the Gallery. Something that isolates a feature in its simplest form, not to make a pretty picture but to clearly illustrate a concept. For example, a new material, maybe with caustics. Suppose you do a number of variations, and gradually fine-tune it. Maybe you have success and want to share it. Maybe you have frustration and want to get help. Either way, others can download the file and see exactly what is happening. If it’s good, save it for reference or as a template. If it’s bad, fix it and respond with feedback.
At present, the convention is to sometimes attach a file later on, but only if requested. This unnecessarily lengthens the time required to make progress. If the file is already attached, anyone in any time zone around the world can get to it immediately. Or anytime in the future. Both the original poster and subsequent forum reader can benefit. There is no downside to this, because it only adds a link, easily ignored if you don’t want the file. Better yet, there is a cumulative advantage when a downloaded file is tweaked, then attached to a subsequent reply on the thread. One after another, posters can contribute to and improve upon the thread topic. It’s a hands-on creative process.
The “Decorated Pig” thread is a perfect example. When the new materials node system was introduced nine years ago, hundreds of great materials were posted. The nodes were powerful, but not intuitive, especially the math functions. But analyzing them in downloaded Pig.jas files made them comprehensible, and amenable to further experimentation. You could quickly review Pig pics, and if you liked a particular material you could try it out and mess around with the nodes. Make a good one, share it.
https://www.cheetah3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4907
There are many features in Version 7 that I don’t get, starting with Physically-Based Rendering materials. And I don’t even do animation, so there’s all of that. And, thanks to Martin, there are continuously-added features via beta versions. There are some files in the Help menu, but imagine building a shared library of tutorial files and templates, kind of like how people contribute to Wikipedia. What a great resource. Individually or collectively we could save, sort, archive, and adapt hundreds or thousands of them and make them easy to retrieve. One limitation of the forum is the dearth of animations, due to size constraints. Maybe post a relatively compact .jas animation file that does a single motion, just to show how to do it.
Several of us have requested a text node in the Materials Node Editor. A related idea is how to integrate some explanatory text or pictures with a .jas file. Of course, that’s what folders do, but it would be neat if there was a C3D menu item for typing or pasting a block of text. I guess that’s a Want List item.
https://www.cheetah3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6950
Attached is the basic Pig.jas file from the Help menu with a useful extra transparency gradient, adapted from a 2014 Frank Beckmann post. You get the idea. Look at forum posts, many with attached pictures, and consider how many would be much better if they included a link to the file. Not most of them, but a lot. Text + picture + file > text + picture > text.
https://www.cheetah3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=86398&postcount=36
This all started with Misoversaturated’s beautiful caustics experiments in the 7.3 beta 2 thread. I would like a caustics file, to simplify, test-render at lower resolution, and inspect all the settings for lights, camera, Falcon, materials, whatever. Learn what works, save a template, maybe post a file with different settings.
Phase Two: WikiCheetiah.
Recently Misoversaturated has added lots of eye-opening posts that effectively explain and demonstrate new features, like the restored Falcon caustics. His examples inspired this post.
C3D is arguably the best software for a beginner to rapidly learn 3D CG and produce professional results, but it has to balance its power with complexity. It is hard and time-consuming to find the right combination of numerous settings to get a desired effect. We all do many trial-and-error iterations, even for simple scenes where we are experimenting, to try out a new feature. This is especially true for a complete beginner, someone with zero 3D experience, just the kind of customer Martin needs to attract. Keep in mind how essential this forum is in promoting and sustaining the development of C3D.
I suggest we do one thing differently, which would require almost no additional effort but could accelerate the learning process for all C3D users, from beginner to expert:
ATTACH THE FILE.
Make this the default habit when posting to the forum.
It’s fast, simple, and easy to right-click a .jas file icon and choose “Compress.” This instantly creates a .zip file which can be attached to a forum post as readily as a JPEG.
This is a great forum, where people quickly answer questions and generously offer tips. But sometimes the advice is still hard to understand by someone with less experience.
I’m only referring to a simple test scene posted to the General or Tutorial sub-forums, not a massively complex illustration commissioned by a client, or a final high-res work of art posted to the Gallery. Something that isolates a feature in its simplest form, not to make a pretty picture but to clearly illustrate a concept. For example, a new material, maybe with caustics. Suppose you do a number of variations, and gradually fine-tune it. Maybe you have success and want to share it. Maybe you have frustration and want to get help. Either way, others can download the file and see exactly what is happening. If it’s good, save it for reference or as a template. If it’s bad, fix it and respond with feedback.
At present, the convention is to sometimes attach a file later on, but only if requested. This unnecessarily lengthens the time required to make progress. If the file is already attached, anyone in any time zone around the world can get to it immediately. Or anytime in the future. Both the original poster and subsequent forum reader can benefit. There is no downside to this, because it only adds a link, easily ignored if you don’t want the file. Better yet, there is a cumulative advantage when a downloaded file is tweaked, then attached to a subsequent reply on the thread. One after another, posters can contribute to and improve upon the thread topic. It’s a hands-on creative process.
The “Decorated Pig” thread is a perfect example. When the new materials node system was introduced nine years ago, hundreds of great materials were posted. The nodes were powerful, but not intuitive, especially the math functions. But analyzing them in downloaded Pig.jas files made them comprehensible, and amenable to further experimentation. You could quickly review Pig pics, and if you liked a particular material you could try it out and mess around with the nodes. Make a good one, share it.
https://www.cheetah3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4907
There are many features in Version 7 that I don’t get, starting with Physically-Based Rendering materials. And I don’t even do animation, so there’s all of that. And, thanks to Martin, there are continuously-added features via beta versions. There are some files in the Help menu, but imagine building a shared library of tutorial files and templates, kind of like how people contribute to Wikipedia. What a great resource. Individually or collectively we could save, sort, archive, and adapt hundreds or thousands of them and make them easy to retrieve. One limitation of the forum is the dearth of animations, due to size constraints. Maybe post a relatively compact .jas animation file that does a single motion, just to show how to do it.
Several of us have requested a text node in the Materials Node Editor. A related idea is how to integrate some explanatory text or pictures with a .jas file. Of course, that’s what folders do, but it would be neat if there was a C3D menu item for typing or pasting a block of text. I guess that’s a Want List item.
https://www.cheetah3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6950
Attached is the basic Pig.jas file from the Help menu with a useful extra transparency gradient, adapted from a 2014 Frank Beckmann post. You get the idea. Look at forum posts, many with attached pictures, and consider how many would be much better if they included a link to the file. Not most of them, but a lot. Text + picture + file > text + picture > text.
https://www.cheetah3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=86398&postcount=36
This all started with Misoversaturated’s beautiful caustics experiments in the 7.3 beta 2 thread. I would like a caustics file, to simplify, test-render at lower resolution, and inspect all the settings for lights, camera, Falcon, materials, whatever. Learn what works, save a template, maybe post a file with different settings.
Phase Two: WikiCheetiah.
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