Mac OS X 10.7 Lion

Martin

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Mac OS X 10.7 Lion

Hi,
Apple released Lion today. So if you use Lion please also use Cheetah3D 5.7 which should be Lion compatible. Older version of Cheetah3D might have problems on Lion due to some API changes Apple did in Lion.

Bye
Martin
 
I've been using C3D for a couple of months with 10.7. I reported some bugs early, they were fixed, and it's been just dandy ever since.

Unlike BBEdit 10 :-(
 
Lots of the new features I wont be using but it certainly seems smooth enough to use. I tried using the spaces type thing but quickly went back to what i am used to. Lots of apps open with a corner of the screen set to open mission control so i can quickly swap between running apps.

Only had a couple of apps refuse to work (Vector designer and some other rarely used ppc apps that will never work in Lion.)

Zbrush stutters with a wacom tablet for some weird reason though but not unusable.

Cheers

Mike R
 
I like lion a lot.

Launchpad is useless (no way to hide stuff or quickly organize it so it's a mess for power users and impossible to tidy up).

Mission conrtrol is great. It's spaces and expose combined and better.

Scrolling is weird for a day then you never can go back. The way apps remember open docs is mostly good but sometimes a pain.

Doc versions are insanely nice. Not having to save (for apps that support it) and fullscreen mode ditto.

John Siracusa's review on ArsTechnica is, as usual, mostly spot on.

The best stuff is under the hood though.

For $30 it's a no-brainer.
 
Hi,
many thanks for letting me know that Cheetah3D works nicely on Lion. Although I've tested Cheetah3D on Lion since a few months and also fixed some Lion related problems in 5.7 you can never be sure that a OS transition really works smoothly.:smile:

My personal experience with Lion isn't that great. In my eyes Lion is the first OS X Upgrade since 10.0 which is a step backward. At least if you have to work all day long with your Mac.

For example the bouncing scrollviews. They have no practical usage. They are just eye candy. This effect is nice to watch once but after seeing it once it is just annoying. One the first days of usage it even made me sort of sea sick.:confused:

Mission control isn't that great too. Apple says that every pixel is valuable when they promote full screen apps but with mission control they waste 50% of the available screen space compared to spaces.:confused:

Full screen apps is also something I haven't used once during the last months. Especially apps which rely heavily on the main menu are extremely painful to use since you spend most of the time waiting until the menu slides down.:confused:

When Apple created iOS they knew that it is a stupid idea to port a desktop UI to a 4" screen. Unluckily they believed with Lion that porting UI features from a 4" screen OS to a 27" desktop OS is a brilliant idea.:confused:

Lion also has some very cool changed under the hood of course. Like updated OpenCL, Snadboxing, etc. I just wished there would be less eye candy and animations. Then it would be much nicer to work with Lion. Without the so called "iOS features" Lion would be a wonderful OS.

So for the first Snow Leopard will be my favorite OS ever.:wink:

Bye
Martin

P.S. Just my very subjective 2 cents of course.;)
 
Martin, is there a way to turn those "features" off? Maybe some magic done in the Terminal if not? I'm not really sure about those things either as all of my Macs are really old and all have PPC chips in them (PowerBook 15" G4, and iMac 20" G5). Maybe one day I can update to an Intel Mac. :)
 
Sorry you have a low opinion of Lion Martin, but I think you're wrong on almost every point except scroll-bounce which is, I agree, eye-candy, and launchpad which is, at least for me, worse than useless.

Mission control is freaking awesome (especially on laptops). You can allocate spaces on the fly and do drag and drop live from anywhere to anywhere. The way it works with full screen apps is very good. I'm not a big fan of fullscreen apps in general but that's because in the past they've not worked well with drag and drop between applications. It's not something I'm used to yet, but I suspect as it becomes better supported... (Then again, it may be something like spaces which I stopped using after a while and didn't miss.)

In general, the changes in Lion take getting used to. When you go back to Snow Leopard you miss them (I speak as a member of a household where everyone has at least one Mac and I was using Lion on only one computer for the last two months. Lion spanks Snow Leopard's ass.)

It took a long time for me to get used to System 7 over System 6 too, but then I couldn't go back.
 
These are thing I can get used to for sure. If I want to get used to them is another question. These new eye candy things are often slower than the old Snow Leopard solutions. And why should I get used to a slower workflow?

I just wished there would be a check box in the preferences to turn off all eye candy,animations, etc. at once. For that check box I would have paid the old 129$ price tag.:wink: But I guess I won't get it.:frown:

Bye
Martin

P.S. If anybody should figure out how to disable the bouncing scroll views please let me know.
 
Apparently its in the universal access area of system preferences. Something about inertial or whatever. Thats the bouncing scroll bars I am talking about by the way. ;)

Cheers

Mike
 
mykyl66 said:
Apparently its in the universal access area of system preferences. Something about inertial or whatever. Thats the bouncing scroll bars I am talking about by the way. ;)
Click to expand...

I had no luck to turn it off. Could you show me a screenshot of the preference I have to turn off.

Bye
Martin
 
As I am using a standard mouse I don't have that option here so I cant take a screen shot.

This is what i found.

The pop-up menu to turn it off is hidden in the Universal Access system preference pane. Click the Mouse & Trackpad button (or just the Mouse button) and then click Trackpad Options (or Mouse Options).

Cheers

Mike
 
I found that button but it doesn't disable the bouncing/elasticity effect in scroll views. At least not in the GM Lion I've installed. It just disabled the inertia effect but not the bounce when you reach the end of the scroll view.

Bye
Martin
 
I have been having a crash on Lion with regards to Cheetah. The crash happens when I quit the application. It triggers a problem report in the Finder. While I'm using the program it appears fine ... only when I quit. Seems to only happen after I work some time in the application.

Just giving feedback....

Anyhow, here is the crash report:

Process: Cheetah3D [6286]
Path: /Applications/Cheetah3D/Cheetah3D.app/Contents/MacOS/Cheetah3D
Identifier: de.wengenmayer.Cheetah3D
Version: 5.7 (5.7)
Code Type: X86 (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [140]

Date/Time: 2011-07-21 21:03:32.940 -0700
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.7 (11A511)
Report Version: 9

Interval Since Last Report: 32778 sec
Crashes Since Last Report: 9
Per-App Interval Since Last Report: 12690 sec
Per-App Crashes Since Last Report: 6
Anonymous UUID: ********

Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
Exception Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x00000000200fc481

VM Regions Near 0x200fc481:
mapped file 000000000e6af000-000000000ea0f000 [ 3456K] rw-/rwx SM=COW /System/Library/Fonts/HelveticaNeue.dfont
-->
__TEXT 000000008f7c6000-000000008fb11000 [ 3372K] r-x/rwx SM=COW /System/Library/Extensions/GeForce7xxxGLDriver.bundle/Contents/MacOS/GeForce7xxxGLDriver

Application Specific Information:
objc_msgSend() selector name: mouseEntered::
objc[6286]: garbage collection is OFF

Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0 libobjc.A.dylib 0x9a596d47 objc_msgSend + 23
1 de.wengenmayer.Cheetah3D 0x00003538 -[mwOpenGLView mouseEntered:] + 40
2 com.apple.AppKit 0x95dba99e -[NSTrackingArea _mouseEntered:] + 63
3 com.apple.AppKit 0x95d55413 -[NSApplication sendEvent:] + 7224
4 de.wengenmayer.Cheetah3D 0x0004021e -[mwApplication sendEvent:] + 126
5 com.apple.AppKit 0x95ce652b -[NSApplication run] + 1000
6 com.apple.AppKit 0x95f79b54 NSApplicationMain + 1054
7 de.wengenmayer.Cheetah3D 0x000022e6 start + 54

Thread 1:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.libdispatch-manager
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x90f4690a kevent + 10
1 libdispatch.dylib 0x90737ccc _dispatch_mgr_invoke + 969
2 libdispatch.dylib 0x9073671b _dispatch_mgr_thread + 53

Thread 2:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x90f4602e __workq_kernreturn + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9b3f7ccf _pthread_wqthread + 773
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9b3f96fe start_wqthread + 30

Thread 3:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x90f4602e __workq_kernreturn + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9b3f7ccf _pthread_wqthread + 773
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9b3f96fe start_wqthread + 30

Thread 4:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x90f4602e __workq_kernreturn + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9b3f7ccf _pthread_wqthread + 773
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9b3f96fe start_wqthread + 30

Thread 5:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x90f4602e __workq_kernreturn + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9b3f7ccf _pthread_wqthread + 773
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9b3f96fe start_wqthread + 30

Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit):
eax: 0x00f9c010 ebx: 0x966fc608 ecx: 0x0008e64c edx: 0x200fc461
edi: 0x0772ea80 esi: 0x95dba96b ebp: 0xbffff8e8 esp: 0xbffff8c8
ss: 0x0000001f efl: 0x00010202 eip: 0x9a596d47 cs: 0x00000017
ds: 0x0000001f es: 0x0000001f fs: 0x00000000 gs: 0x00000037
cr2: 0x200fc481
Logical CPU: 0

Binary Images:
0x1000 - 0xa7ff3 +de.wengenmayer.Cheetah3D (5.7 - 5.7) <11D0553A-76F1-84C1-E9C5-673507C20B00> /Applications/Cheetah3D/Cheetah3D.app/Contents/MacOS/Cheetah3D

Model: MacPro1,1, BootROM MP11.005C.B08, 4 processors, Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 2.66 GHz, 5 GB, SMC 1.7f10
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT, NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT, PCIe, 256 MB
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT, NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT, PCIe, 512 MB
Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT, ATI Radeon HD 2600, PCIe, 256 MB
Memory Module: DIMM Riser A/DIMM 1, 2 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 667 MHz, 0x0000, 0x4B424C393454324432473253453700000000
Memory Module: DIMM Riser A/DIMM 2, 2 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 667 MHz, 0x0000, 0x4B424C393454324432473253453700000000
Memory Module: DIMM Riser A/DIMM 3, 512 MB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 667 MHz, 0x830B, 0x4E54353132543732553839413842442D3343
Memory Module: DIMM Riser A/DIMM 4, 512 MB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 667 MHz, 0x830B, 0x4E54353132543732553839413842442D3343
Network Service: eth1, Ethernet, en0
PCI Card: NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT, sppci_displaycontroller, Slot-4
PCI Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT, sppci_displaycontroller, Slot-1
PCI Card: ATI Radeon HD 2600, sppci_displaycontroller, Slot-2
Serial ATA Device: ST31000528AS, 1 TB
Serial ATA Device: WDC WD2500JS-41SGB0, 250.06 GB
Parallel ATA Device: SONY DVD RW DW-D150A
USB Device: iPad, apple_vendor_id, 0x129a, 0xfd100000 / 3
USB Device: Keyboard Hub, apple_vendor_id, 0x1006, 0xfd500000 / 2
USB Device: USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse, 0x046d (Logitech Inc.), 0xc045, 0xfd530000 / 5
USB Device: Apple Keyboard, apple_vendor_id, 0x0220, 0xfd520000 / 4
FireWire Device: built-in_hub, 800mbit_speed
 
Martin,

Here's a Beta version of Cocktail (Shareware?) for 10.7. It may have something to access hidden preferences to change these things you don't like. They state the full release version will be out in August. I usually like to test things, but my G5 iMac can only have 10.5 installed. If you can't entirely remove the "features", then I know people have changed the speed on them so they go a lot faster and are barely noticeable (in previous version of OS X that is).

http://www.maintain.se/cocktail/index.php

Try also Tinkertool (Shareware?):
http://www.bresink.com/osx/300321023/details.html

or

OnyX or Deeper (Donationware):
http://www.titanium.free.fr/index.php
 
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