Group Select & Select Group

Group Select & Select Group

Hi,

I'm trying to get good understanding of all the tools in C3D and I'm a little stumped on the Group Select & Select Group options and when to use them. I would like to better understand the procedure and use of these two tools.

I could not find any help in C3D or when I searched this forum.

Does a link exist that can teach an old dog another new trick?

Thanks!!

Tom

<<< update: Never mind... figured it out via trial and error. >>>
 
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I have a tutorial on selections you may want to check out at www.cgvertx.com, under Resources.

Here's a quick answer to that question:

Select Group: Selects a group of polys that appear to be a part of the same general area as the selected poly. (See attached image, a combined set of meshes, one poly selected, then Select Group selects all of them for that part of the mesh).

Group Select: Allows the user to draw a box around a desired area of the mesh to be selected.

I believe both work on faces, edges, and vertices, but not positive on the Select Group.
 

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i never figured what's actually the difference ...

@ alvordr - Thanks for the information.

@ Archie - There seems to be little to no documentation on these tools. However, they are different (albeit still confusing to me).

I have played around with these tools and they do have good value. Here are my discoveries and a bit of an example:

"Select Group"
This tool works in point, edge and poly modes.
It is a "pre-select" tool in that one picks a single or series of points, edges or polys and then when you select the Select Group tool all contiguously connected points, edges or polys (depending on the mode you are in) will be selected. The key message here is "contiguously connected"... this selection is not random or guess work.
This tool does not stay active after the selection. In other words, you can continue to add to the selection by holding the shift key, however, to add another group one must re-select the Select Group tool again.

"Group Select"
This tool only appears to work in poly mode.
It is a "post-select" tool in that one first selects the Group Select tool (which automatically puts you into poly select mode) and as you select a poly it also selects all contiguous edges of your selection.
Unlike the Select Group tool, this tool stays active and by holding the shift key one can continue to add additional groups to the selection (however, you must of corse de-select the tool to add discrete poly's to the selection).

In my opinion, these tools seem to be a compliment and best used when disconnecting groups of poly's within a single object, such as a wall with a window and and window frame. It allows for easy management of the unique parts of the object without having to do splits and deletes.

In the simple example below (fig 1), I disconnected the red poly's from the blue ones. Since all of the red poly's are not contiguous the result is actually four groups on this plane. Two red groups and two blue groups.

Selection of these groups is easy and convenient. Please pay attention to the contiguous nature of things. In the second example (fig 2) the red poly's are connected by a single point. Same with the blue. Therefore, the colors are only contiguous in the point mode because they do not share an edge. Therefore, selecting the shared point in point mode and then selecting the Select Group tool will result in the selection demonstrated in Fig2. Using the edge mode or poly mode, or using the Group Select tool (since it only works in poly mode) will result in the selection demonstrated in Fig 3.

If you haven't embraced these tools I encourage you to work through this example. I think you will find it will speed up your work flow and help organize your objects.

Sorry for the long explanation, but, since these tools are not covered in the help files I thought it might have some benefit to others.

Cheers,
Tom
 

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thanks tom for your effort !
so i was aware of how the *select group* tool works but the other one seems to be different as it does not always catch all contiguous faces and also there are checkboxes for seams etc...
i have never seen andrew's tutorials on dvd but maybe he has covered it ?

- archie
 
Maybe this will help.

The group select tool seems to be most useful for UV mapping. With the default settings, it will select all faces inside of UV seams (picture 1).

You can also change the settings to have it select only faces inside of creases, or faces that are a maximum number of degrees away (picture 2).

Hope this is useful.

Matthew
 

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